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		<title>Comment on As school budget tightens, student parking fees once again a source of contention by Phil Stilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Stilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the current school year, the district has collected the money for the parking lots, but no work has been done to improve the facilities.   On March 23 and 26, the Jackson School board is expected to continue the fees for students, while teachers district wide pay nothing for the same services.    By charging a $50 per year parking fees to employees, the district would stand to generate more than $50,000 per year in revenue, more than twice as much as charging just students.


Where does it say &quot;I would charge teachers&quot;?   I pointed out that your revenue stream is flawed and not generating revenue at its maximum potential.   

You said: &quot;Phil is stating that district employees should pay $40 to park.&quot; 

Please show where I said this without taking the entire statement out of context.

I don&#039;t support charging students a penny.  I agree with you when you said &quot;charging for parking is stupid&quot; it&#039;s stupid for teachers and its stupid for students.. because that&#039;s why we pay taxes.  Next you will want to charge for bathroom services.. maybe per flush?

Maybe you should go back to May 11th of 2009 to see how I felt about the idea shortly after it was presented in the budget. 

http://www.jacksonnjonline.com/2009/05/11/5-revenue-generating-ideas-that-didnt-get-boe-approval/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the current school year, the district has collected the money for the parking lots, but no work has been done to improve the facilities.   On March 23 and 26, the Jackson School board is expected to continue the fees for students, while teachers district wide pay nothing for the same services.    By charging a $50 per year parking fees to employees, the district would stand to generate more than $50,000 per year in revenue, more than twice as much as charging just students.</p>
<p>Where does it say &#8220;I would charge teachers&#8221;?   I pointed out that your revenue stream is flawed and not generating revenue at its maximum potential.   </p>
<p>You said: &#8220;Phil is stating that district employees should pay $40 to park.&#8221; </p>
<p>Please show where I said this without taking the entire statement out of context.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t support charging students a penny.  I agree with you when you said &#8220;charging for parking is stupid&#8221; it&#8217;s stupid for teachers and its stupid for students.. because that&#8217;s why we pay taxes.  Next you will want to charge for bathroom services.. maybe per flush?</p>
<p>Maybe you should go back to May 11th of 2009 to see how I felt about the idea shortly after it was presented in the budget. </p>
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		<title>Comment on As school budget tightens, student parking fees once again a source of contention by Joe Fiero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fiero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;  By charging a $50 per year parking fees to employees, the district would stand to generate more than $50,000 per year in revenue, more than twice as much as charging just students.&quot;...Phil Stilton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;  By charging a $50 per year parking fees to employees, the district would stand to generate more than $50,000 per year in revenue, more than twice as much as charging just students.&#8221;&#8230;Phil Stilton.</p>
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		<title>Comment on As school budget tightens, student parking fees once again a source of contention by Phil Stilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Stilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So keep it that way.  I did not say I support your plan to charge anyone for parking, but said if you want to charge for parking, charge everyone, not just those already paying to use the lot through their taxes.   Having a privelege based reward for children should not be based on their financial capacity, but through school grades, participation in safe driving programs, attendance, etc.  Do not stray your course with me. You keep it honest and I will.   I did not say I favor charging anyone for parking.   Parking is different from extracurricular activities as many seniors need to drive themselves to school because of shortened days and/or jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So keep it that way.  I did not say I support your plan to charge anyone for parking, but said if you want to charge for parking, charge everyone, not just those already paying to use the lot through their taxes.   Having a privelege based reward for children should not be based on their financial capacity, but through school grades, participation in safe driving programs, attendance, etc.  Do not stray your course with me. You keep it honest and I will.   I did not say I favor charging anyone for parking.   Parking is different from extracurricular activities as many seniors need to drive themselves to school because of shortened days and/or jobs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on As school budget tightens, student parking fees once again a source of contention by Joe Fiero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fiero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil said &quot;I’ll have to expose you as the dirty lying political spin jockey that you are during these elections. &quot;

I am delivering facts.  I have not offered a single insult.  If you can dispute my facts, do that.  Name calling i snot productive and the people of Jackson deserve a factual, honest and courteous discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil said &#8220;I’ll have to expose you as the dirty lying political spin jockey that you are during these elections. &#8221;</p>
<p>I am delivering facts.  I have not offered a single insult.  If you can dispute my facts, do that.  Name calling i snot productive and the people of Jackson deserve a factual, honest and courteous discussion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on As school budget tightens, student parking fees once again a source of contention by Joe Fiero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fiero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of spin, ....


you imply Mr. Sharpe is a teacher by your wording.  Why not detail his position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of spin, &#8230;.</p>
<p>you imply Mr. Sharpe is a teacher by your wording.  Why not detail his position.</p>
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		<title>Comment on As school budget tightens, student parking fees once again a source of contention by Joe Fiero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fiero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I suggest you slow down, read and then comprehend what you have read?

At no time did Linda state she was the only teacher running.  She is the only teacher seated.  Marvin Krakower is a superintendent and has not been in the classroom for many years.

Here is the quote from the letter published by the Jackson Times:


Linda is an active member of NJ School Boards Association and is currently the sole Certificated Member on the Jackson Board of Education.  She was selected to be a member of NJSBA’s New Board Member Orientation Team, training newly elected school board members State wide on issues including school law, policy, collective bargaining and finance.  


Yes, she is the only Certified Member of the Jackson BOE.  She is a trainer.  Something she achieved on her own time.  

The spin is all yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I suggest you slow down, read and then comprehend what you have read?</p>
<p>At no time did Linda state she was the only teacher running.  She is the only teacher seated.  Marvin Krakower is a superintendent and has not been in the classroom for many years.</p>
<p>Here is the quote from the letter published by the Jackson Times:</p>
<p>Linda is an active member of NJ School Boards Association and is currently the sole Certificated Member on the Jackson Board of Education.  She was selected to be a member of NJSBA’s New Board Member Orientation Team, training newly elected school board members State wide on issues including school law, policy, collective bargaining and finance.  </p>
<p>Yes, she is the only Certified Member of the Jackson BOE.  She is a trainer.  Something she achieved on her own time.  </p>
<p>The spin is all yours.</p>
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		<title>Comment on As school budget tightens, student parking fees once again a source of contention by Phil Stilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Stilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said they &lt;strong&gt;should&lt;/strong&gt; Joe.  I said if you people want to charge &lt;strong&gt;(which you obviously DO.. because.. YOU HAVE&lt;/strong&gt;), charge everyone. Your tricks do not work on me Joe, you can spin whatever lies you want, but luckily everyone knows how the Joe Fiero game works.   You, Barbara, Sharon and Linda are the ones charging children.  All I say is that if you want to charge,  charge EVERYONE to park... or nobody.  But the fact is Joe, those lots are already supposed to be paid for by our tax dollars. The real question is the JMHS lot in such terrible shape?  A good sealing might have fixed it a few years ago, but a few more years and we&#039;re going to have to resurface.

You can go send the email to all the teachers in the district &quot;Phil Stilton wants to charge you to park&quot;.   I&#039;ll have to expose you as the dirty lying political spin jockey that you are during these elections.  

While I&#039;m at it, I&#039;ll check you on all of your lies.  In the recent newspaper editorial written by Linda Lackey and Sharon Dey, they claimed Linda Lackey was the only candidate this year who has educational experience.   Jeff Sharpe is an employee of the Howell School District.   Gus Acevedo is a school teacher.   You might want to submit a correction letter to the editor so as not to further deceive those whose votes you crave at all cost.

The good thing is Joe, I know none of you have the spine to move forward on such a move, so this is all hypothetical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said they <strong>should</strong> Joe.  I said if you people want to charge <strong>(which you obviously DO.. because.. YOU HAVE</strong>), charge everyone. Your tricks do not work on me Joe, you can spin whatever lies you want, but luckily everyone knows how the Joe Fiero game works.   You, Barbara, Sharon and Linda are the ones charging children.  All I say is that if you want to charge,  charge EVERYONE to park&#8230; or nobody.  But the fact is Joe, those lots are already supposed to be paid for by our tax dollars. The real question is the JMHS lot in such terrible shape?  A good sealing might have fixed it a few years ago, but a few more years and we&#8217;re going to have to resurface.</p>
<p>You can go send the email to all the teachers in the district &#8220;Phil Stilton wants to charge you to park&#8221;.   I&#8217;ll have to expose you as the dirty lying political spin jockey that you are during these elections.  </p>
<p>While I&#8217;m at it, I&#8217;ll check you on all of your lies.  In the recent newspaper editorial written by Linda Lackey and Sharon Dey, they claimed Linda Lackey was the only candidate this year who has educational experience.   Jeff Sharpe is an employee of the Howell School District.   Gus Acevedo is a school teacher.   You might want to submit a correction letter to the editor so as not to further deceive those whose votes you crave at all cost.</p>
<p>The good thing is Joe, I know none of you have the spine to move forward on such a move, so this is all hypothetical.</p>
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		<title>Comment on As school budget tightens, student parking fees once again a source of contention by Joe Fiero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fiero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rumor mill....

The reason Mr. G &quot;denied&quot; it was because it was never said.  

This was not a fundraiser to pave parking lots.  It was a line item, approved by the voters in the budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rumor mill&#8230;.</p>
<p>The reason Mr. G &#8220;denied&#8221; it was because it was never said.  </p>
<p>This was not a fundraiser to pave parking lots.  It was a line item, approved by the voters in the budget.</p>
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		<title>Comment on As school budget tightens, student parking fees once again a source of contention by Joe Fiero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fiero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Joyce,

Phil is stating that district employees should pay $40 to park.  Are you OK with that?


*Note* Phil Stilton did not say this. Phil Stilton said that parking fees on just students/residents is an unfair tax.  If Joe Fiero and his team (Barbara Fiero, Linda Lackey and Sharon Dey) want to charge people to park on school property, they should charge everyone or noone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Joyce,</p>
<p>Phil is stating that district employees should pay $40 to park.  Are you OK with that?</p>
<p>*Note* Phil Stilton did not say this. Phil Stilton said that parking fees on just students/residents is an unfair tax.  If Joe Fiero and his team (Barbara Fiero, Linda Lackey and Sharon Dey) want to charge people to park on school property, they should charge everyone or noone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on As school budget tightens, student parking fees once again a source of contention by Phil Stilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Stilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was also mentioned at the meeting, but later retracted when they decided to repeal the $25 fee and enact a $10 fee, but sometimes I wonder if it&#039;s worth mentioning because he&#039;ll just say it&#039;s not true.. even though about 30 of us heard it.  The reason I brought this up again (which Joe will say is an unfair &#039;attack&#039;), but I speak to parents every day and my opinion of parking fees has been asked several times and many thought it was just a 1 year trial for some reason, so I told them no, $10 was a 1 year trial, but that could go up at anytime and you need to attend the budget meetings and speak at that time otherwise they will simply pull the &quot;snooze you lose&quot; routine again.

I know parents may not want to hear this, but if the district charges ALL employees and students at all schools the same parking fee because they need to generate revenue, I would support this, but I would not support an unfair tax that only targets residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was also mentioned at the meeting, but later retracted when they decided to repeal the $25 fee and enact a $10 fee, but sometimes I wonder if it&#8217;s worth mentioning because he&#8217;ll just say it&#8217;s not true.. even though about 30 of us heard it.  The reason I brought this up again (which Joe will say is an unfair &#8216;attack&#8217;), but I speak to parents every day and my opinion of parking fees has been asked several times and many thought it was just a 1 year trial for some reason, so I told them no, $10 was a 1 year trial, but that could go up at anytime and you need to attend the budget meetings and speak at that time otherwise they will simply pull the &#8220;snooze you lose&#8221; routine again.</p>
<p>I know parents may not want to hear this, but if the district charges ALL employees and students at all schools the same parking fee because they need to generate revenue, I would support this, but I would not support an unfair tax that only targets residents.</p>
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		<title>Comment on As school budget tightens, student parking fees once again a source of contention by Joyce Cladek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce Cladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me Joe, Phil didn&#039;t make it up.  Mr. Gialanella stated that the student parking revenues would go to maintenance of the lots, that they&#039;d been previously neglected.  How do you think Cathy Gross heard about it?  Her president went back and reported to the membership at Liberty that this was going to be done.  I was at that President&#039;s Council meeting.  However, when asked about it at a BOE meeting, Mr. Gialanella denied ever stating it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me Joe, Phil didn&#8217;t make it up.  Mr. Gialanella stated that the student parking revenues would go to maintenance of the lots, that they&#8217;d been previously neglected.  How do you think Cathy Gross heard about it?  Her president went back and reported to the membership at Liberty that this was going to be done.  I was at that President&#8217;s Council meeting.  However, when asked about it at a BOE meeting, Mr. Gialanella denied ever stating it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jackson Township School Board Election Ballot Positioning by Joyce Cladek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce Cladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best of luck Phil.  I hope you win!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Writer claims Liberty High School fields still source contention in Jackson-Lakewood border dispute by Joe Fiero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fiero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year Martin Spielman invited the council to attend the budget workshops.  CP Kafton, berated Mr. Spielman from the dais accusing him of trying to cut a &quot;backroom deal&quot;. with the BOE.

I think we already know what he has in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year Martin Spielman invited the council to attend the budget workshops.  CP Kafton, berated Mr. Spielman from the dais accusing him of trying to cut a &#8220;backroom deal&#8221;. with the BOE.</p>
<p>I think we already know what he has in mind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writer claims Liberty High School fields still source contention in Jackson-Lakewood border dispute by Phil Stilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Stilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also like I said, my next front row seat will be at the township council meeting should our current budget get voted down.  To see how the effect of Marvin ditching the budget meetings plays into the whole thing and how Bressi and Kafton will respond to having to be fiscally responsible.  It will be interesting to see how those two will make their political chess moves with our kids again and right now that&#039;s another front our district should be engaging, not just the community, but they should be lobbying our council for support onthe budget so Ken Bressi doesn&#039;t just look at a spreadsheet and start using his red marker from reading a line item or Kafton doesn&#039;t cut things because he saw a website that can do it cheaper.

THAT issue right now, is a bigger threat to education in Jackson than Chris Christie as we witnessed last Tuesday.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also like I said, my next front row seat will be at the township council meeting should our current budget get voted down.  To see how the effect of Marvin ditching the budget meetings plays into the whole thing and how Bressi and Kafton will respond to having to be fiscally responsible.  It will be interesting to see how those two will make their political chess moves with our kids again and right now that&#8217;s another front our district should be engaging, not just the community, but they should be lobbying our council for support onthe budget so Ken Bressi doesn&#8217;t just look at a spreadsheet and start using his red marker from reading a line item or Kafton doesn&#8217;t cut things because he saw a website that can do it cheaper.</p>
<p>THAT issue right now, is a bigger threat to education in Jackson than Chris Christie as we witnessed last Tuesday.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writer claims Liberty High School fields still source contention in Jackson-Lakewood border dispute by Phil Stilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Stilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it was announced at January&#039;s meeting that we would be losing $1.5 million it was presented as a shock and &quot;now we have to adjust&quot;.  We should have been adjusting all along and it should not have had such an impact.  Again...  online energy procurement (or something to get our unit cost down which is available), conservation, making decisions to cut courses with low enrollment, offsetting extra-curricular costs instead of being forced into just cutting them.  There should have been more planning instead of a February-March budget crunch to cut for the budget.  A good CEO would be mindful of such things year round, just not when creating budgets.

On the same token, you seem to not understand the position that how could we spend $29 million when we don&#039;t have $1.5.   It&#039;s like buying a 52&quot; LCD TV from Best Buy because they were offering 40% off coupons when you can&#039;t afford your mortgage.

I know there&#039;s two sides to this and two fundamental philosophies, but making big purchases on credit because the deal is too good to pass up when you can&#039;t pay your critical bills is what has put America in the situation we are in.  You subscribe to the more liberal point of view of relying on state aid (which is going to be cut anyway) and I subscribe to a more conservative view of not overspending and as a result, overtaxing.  

If we can&#039;t pay our teachers to teach our children, we can&#039;t afford irrigation for sports fields.  I don&#039;t really see how there is a logical counter to that opinion.   I&#039;m also tired of the &quot;cost of a cup of coffee&quot; or &quot;cost of mc donalds&quot; or &quot;the cost to get your nails done&quot; thing.  Residents are getting tired of hearing that and I would advise it to never be used again if you ever want to plead your case with something. 

You fail to see the bigger picture.  It&#039;s not &quot;just a cup of coffee&quot;, It&#039;s a total tax bill of $5000 for somebody making $65,0000 that with al these &quot;cups of coffee&quot;, &quot;mcdonalds lunches&quot; and &quot;night at the bar&quot; turns it into a $5,500 tax bill for that same guy making $65,000 who may not see his bonus in 2010 or may have to cut his hours back and make $60,000 this year.   

Again. Liberal agendas vs. conservative agendas are really the only difference here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it was announced at January&#8217;s meeting that we would be losing $1.5 million it was presented as a shock and &#8220;now we have to adjust&#8221;.  We should have been adjusting all along and it should not have had such an impact.  Again&#8230;  online energy procurement (or something to get our unit cost down which is available), conservation, making decisions to cut courses with low enrollment, offsetting extra-curricular costs instead of being forced into just cutting them.  There should have been more planning instead of a February-March budget crunch to cut for the budget.  A good CEO would be mindful of such things year round, just not when creating budgets.</p>
<p>On the same token, you seem to not understand the position that how could we spend $29 million when we don&#8217;t have $1.5.   It&#8217;s like buying a 52&#8243; LCD TV from Best Buy because they were offering 40% off coupons when you can&#8217;t afford your mortgage.</p>
<p>I know there&#8217;s two sides to this and two fundamental philosophies, but making big purchases on credit because the deal is too good to pass up when you can&#8217;t pay your critical bills is what has put America in the situation we are in.  You subscribe to the more liberal point of view of relying on state aid (which is going to be cut anyway) and I subscribe to a more conservative view of not overspending and as a result, overtaxing.  </p>
<p>If we can&#8217;t pay our teachers to teach our children, we can&#8217;t afford irrigation for sports fields.  I don&#8217;t really see how there is a logical counter to that opinion.   I&#8217;m also tired of the &#8220;cost of a cup of coffee&#8221; or &#8220;cost of mc donalds&#8221; or &#8220;the cost to get your nails done&#8221; thing.  Residents are getting tired of hearing that and I would advise it to never be used again if you ever want to plead your case with something. </p>
<p>You fail to see the bigger picture.  It&#8217;s not &#8220;just a cup of coffee&#8221;, It&#8217;s a total tax bill of $5000 for somebody making $65,0000 that with al these &#8220;cups of coffee&#8221;, &#8220;mcdonalds lunches&#8221; and &#8220;night at the bar&#8221; turns it into a $5,500 tax bill for that same guy making $65,000 who may not see his bonus in 2010 or may have to cut his hours back and make $60,000 this year.   </p>
<p>Again. Liberal agendas vs. conservative agendas are really the only difference here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writer claims Liberty High School fields still source contention in Jackson-Lakewood border dispute by NJ News</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t implying that you were making it up at all Joe.  I was mocking the zoning of a corner which is more in the pinelands than the school being excluded for something our town does not need, yet school expansion is a real need and it gets denied.  What&#039;s a bigger joke is that the township sold that land to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t implying that you were making it up at all Joe.  I was mocking the zoning of a corner which is more in the pinelands than the school being excluded for something our town does not need, yet school expansion is a real need and it gets denied.  What&#8217;s a bigger joke is that the township sold that land to begin with.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writer claims Liberty High School fields still source contention in Jackson-Lakewood border dispute by Joe Fiero</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil said:

Joe, you are good at dodging reality. How can you sit here and say residents should have approved a $29 million expenditure when the district can’t even figure out how to save jobs because of a $1.5 million reduction in state aid?

My response:

Reality is we lost 40% in taxes that were scheduled to be returned to Jackson taxpayers.  We lost $460,000 a year in revenue generated from solar.  

The net cost to residents on a yearly tax basis was less than 3 people would spend in a fast food restaurant in one meal.  The return on investment was over 20:1.   That $460,000 would have closed that gap by 1/3. 


Phil said:

Pink slips have already gone out from what I have been told and we are cutting teachers already, yet you still say we can afford a $4 million irrigation system. Where are the priorities? Where is the accountability in that assessment? Instead of pushing a $29 million referendum down the throats of taxpayers and parents, you all should have been coming up with a contingency plan for weathering the upcoming storm.

My response:

I checked.  No, there have been no &quot;pink slips&quot; st this time.  

$4 million to irrigate fields has nothing to do with the operating budget.  That&#039;s why it was a referendum question.  

The referendum was not &quot;pushed down the throats&quot; of anyone.  It was offered for opinion, as is LEGALLY required.  State law PREVENT projects like this from being &quot;pushed&quot; which is why there is a referendum process.  &quot;Pushed&quot; would be if a school board was to just move on a project of this magnitude without community approval, thinking they know better than the taxpayers how to spend their money.

Phil said:

The problem is we have people who fell asleep at the wheel and it slipped by your candidates (Dey &amp; Lackey) and the rest of the BOE. ...... they are just as responsible for this budget as Tom Gialanella and Michele Richardson. 


My response:

What slipped by?   Please explain so I can address something tangible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil said:</p>
<p>Joe, you are good at dodging reality. How can you sit here and say residents should have approved a $29 million expenditure when the district can’t even figure out how to save jobs because of a $1.5 million reduction in state aid?</p>
<p>My response:</p>
<p>Reality is we lost 40% in taxes that were scheduled to be returned to Jackson taxpayers.  We lost $460,000 a year in revenue generated from solar.  </p>
<p>The net cost to residents on a yearly tax basis was less than 3 people would spend in a fast food restaurant in one meal.  The return on investment was over 20:1.   That $460,000 would have closed that gap by 1/3. </p>
<p>Phil said:</p>
<p>Pink slips have already gone out from what I have been told and we are cutting teachers already, yet you still say we can afford a $4 million irrigation system. Where are the priorities? Where is the accountability in that assessment? Instead of pushing a $29 million referendum down the throats of taxpayers and parents, you all should have been coming up with a contingency plan for weathering the upcoming storm.</p>
<p>My response:</p>
<p>I checked.  No, there have been no &#8220;pink slips&#8221; st this time.  </p>
<p>$4 million to irrigate fields has nothing to do with the operating budget.  That&#8217;s why it was a referendum question.  </p>
<p>The referendum was not &#8220;pushed down the throats&#8221; of anyone.  It was offered for opinion, as is LEGALLY required.  State law PREVENT projects like this from being &#8220;pushed&#8221; which is why there is a referendum process.  &#8220;Pushed&#8221; would be if a school board was to just move on a project of this magnitude without community approval, thinking they know better than the taxpayers how to spend their money.</p>
<p>Phil said:</p>
<p>The problem is we have people who fell asleep at the wheel and it slipped by your candidates (Dey &amp; Lackey) and the rest of the BOE. &#8230;&#8230; they are just as responsible for this budget as Tom Gialanella and Michele Richardson. </p>
<p>My response:</p>
<p>What slipped by?   Please explain so I can address something tangible.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Writer claims Liberty High School fields still source contention in Jackson-Lakewood border dispute by Phil Stilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Stilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my mistake. I thought you meant the field repairs. Not the school construction.  Like I said Joe, I think Liberty High School was a great addition and considering the economic climate at the time, it was the right time to do it.  I think we could have scaled down a bit. It&#039;s pretty palatial, unlike the bathrooms being called palatial.  I have no arguments with Liberty other than the costs for Liberty and Two gymnasiums neglected the needs of Memorial, which were equally as important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my mistake. I thought you meant the field repairs. Not the school construction.  Like I said Joe, I think Liberty High School was a great addition and considering the economic climate at the time, it was the right time to do it.  I think we could have scaled down a bit. It&#8217;s pretty palatial, unlike the bathrooms being called palatial.  I have no arguments with Liberty other than the costs for Liberty and Two gymnasiums neglected the needs of Memorial, which were equally as important.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writer claims Liberty High School fields still source contention in Jackson-Lakewood border dispute by Joe Fiero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fiero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil said:

There are no similarities between this issue and the softball fields. 1st, we are talking $261,000 versus $4,000,000.

Response....

Phil, I was not comparing the field irrigation to the girls softball.  I was referencing the perceived value, which is a direct parallel.

Here are both our comments from above.  I am sure when you read it again you will see I made no reference to the fields.

From above:

You (Phil) said:

The school was over the top and a breakdown in the process in the school administration is what prevented the initial irrigation wells from not being drilled before the regulations were changed.

I (Joe) responded:

Over the top? Based on what specifically? I have demonstrated, time and time again that Liberty HS was less than half the cost of other high schools that were built at the time. Not just in NJ, but Connecticut, Massachusetts, Delaware and Pennsylvania. I provided 11 different “comps”. Schools in similar communities and of similar size. The $70 million cost to build Liberty paled in comparison. The closest school was $93 million and most were in the range of $180 million.

This is no different than the issue with the girl’s softball. Some people questioned the cost, but it is actually a good value for what is being provided. Liberty was brought to the residents of Jackson through great efforts and innovative thinking. The design is functional and is a direct response to all the issues that were found to be in earlier school designs. Wider halls facilitate easier movement during class changes. Large window walls reduce the need for artificial lighting. Durable materials assure lower cost long term maintenance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil said:</p>
<p>There are no similarities between this issue and the softball fields. 1st, we are talking $261,000 versus $4,000,000.</p>
<p>Response&#8230;.</p>
<p>Phil, I was not comparing the field irrigation to the girls softball.  I was referencing the perceived value, which is a direct parallel.</p>
<p>Here are both our comments from above.  I am sure when you read it again you will see I made no reference to the fields.</p>
<p>From above:</p>
<p>You (Phil) said:</p>
<p>The school was over the top and a breakdown in the process in the school administration is what prevented the initial irrigation wells from not being drilled before the regulations were changed.</p>
<p>I (Joe) responded:</p>
<p>Over the top? Based on what specifically? I have demonstrated, time and time again that Liberty HS was less than half the cost of other high schools that were built at the time. Not just in NJ, but Connecticut, Massachusetts, Delaware and Pennsylvania. I provided 11 different “comps”. Schools in similar communities and of similar size. The $70 million cost to build Liberty paled in comparison. The closest school was $93 million and most were in the range of $180 million.</p>
<p>This is no different than the issue with the girl’s softball. Some people questioned the cost, but it is actually a good value for what is being provided. Liberty was brought to the residents of Jackson through great efforts and innovative thinking. The design is functional and is a direct response to all the issues that were found to be in earlier school designs. Wider halls facilitate easier movement during class changes. Large window walls reduce the need for artificial lighting. Durable materials assure lower cost long term maintenance.</p>
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